November 22, 2022
by Hacker Valley Studio
November 22, 2022
by Hacker Valley Studio
Lesley Carhart, Director of Incident Response at Dragos, takes some time off mentoring cybersecurity practitioners, responding to OT incidents, and training in martial arts to hop on the mics this week. Named Hacker of the Year in 2020, Lesley’s impact on the industry stretches far and wide. As an incredible content creator for cybersecurity, Lesley advises listeners on how to find their niche and who to be willing to educate along the way. Be sure to subscribe to Hacker Valley Studio, the premiere cybersecurity podcast for cybersecurity professionals.
[00:00] Giving back to the community through martial arts & cyber education
[06:13] Being excluded from the cyber industry & turning to content creation instead
[12:33] Comparing incident response in IT vs OT environments
[19:46] Dealing with post-COVID problems with the wrong OT systems online
[26:51] Finding your cyber niche & exploring education options within it
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What inspired you to start creating cybersecurity content?
Lesley’s cybersecurity content has vastly influenced and impacted many cyber practitioners in the industry, including Ron and Chris. Unfortunately, Lesley’s journey into content creation was inspired by the lack of mentorship they received from other professionals when they were starting out. Never wanting anyone to feel the way they did, Lesley created an online world of resources to warmly welcome and educate new practitioners.
“It's not a really glamorous story. When I got into cybersecurity, I wanted to do digital forensics and nobody would help me, nobody would actually take me seriously and give me a shot. Everybody should have a chance to get into cybersecurity if it's something they want to do.”
How has teaching cyber to a general audience been appealing to you?
When not educating new cyber practitioners or tearing it up in the martial arts studio, Lesley likes to reach out to their community and give talks to audiences outside of typical tech and security groups. From churches to universities, Lesley loves meeting people outside of the cyber industry. These individuals always offer them a new perspective and a feeling of accomplishment for showing someone something new.
“It's enjoyable to me to find other people out there who want to learn about an entirely new topic and expose themselves to its problems and how it impacts society and things like that. I appreciate that. Cybersecurity is important and it impacts everything around us all the time.”
In your world, where does incident response start, and where does it stop?
Like many of cyber’s most complicated concepts, the answer to where incident response starts and ends is subjective to certain resources and elements of an organization. Lesley explains that incident response has to be planned and that the planning process has to involve when to declare an incident and when to close the said incident. Without proper planning in advance, an organization is at risk for a crisis that could’ve been responded to quickly turning into an out-of-control attack.
“There's no perfect defense against an incident, everybody's vulnerable. You do your best to mitigate and avoid having a cybersecurity incident, but there's only so much you can do. Eventually, you have to assume that you're gonna have an incident.”
What piece of advice do you have for anyone looking to share more knowledge and make the cyber industry better?
Although everything in cybersecurity can seem daunting, expansive, and interesting to everyone, Lesley’s recommendation to new practitioners is to find a niche in cyber and stick to it for a while. Finding a niche doesn’t have to be permanent, but Lesley believes that niche will help you carve out extensive knowledge worth sharing and creating content around. When you discover that niche, don’t be afraid to reach out to other industry experts along the way.
“Pick an area and then find mentorship in that and try to focus for a couple of years on a particular area. You can always change your mind later on, just like degrees, just like training programs, but it's going to help you a lot to focus for a little while.”
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